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Gun here from Way of Gun .
This one is a bit, well a lot, long, but well worth the read for bar and club oriented users of my methods.
A while back I set out to discover THE club/bar methods.
My Gunwitch methods and Way of Gun audio course have taken street, party, social circle and otherwise non club and bar pick ups to extreme new heights of success, success that many said wasn't possible for street pick ups.
Many do not like trying to pick up women outside of bars and clubs, which is a shame in my book, but more on this later.
Through many years now, and recent fresh new strategy and analysis in bar and club scene, as well as training guys to do bar and club pick ups I have developed some mindsets, action plans, tricks and tactics that will increase your success dramatically.
I had originally planned an in depth archetype of each club type and how to game her. As I looked back over the years and hit the club scene again with fresh analysis I realized one does not need to be that thorough, one only must understand some key points to take their success level in clubs up a few notches.
Most of this is for use in LARGE club and bar venues with lots of people and live or DJ music.
Lets get started in this.
First off we need to checklist the "OF COURSE" items. Things from my books and audio, things from ANY source you must have down for this more advanced material to work for you.
Dress normal or even flashy or whatever. Basically you aren't looking like a dork for your own personal niche and venues.
You know women dig sex and want it. Either by logic or experience you know this.
You are relaxed around women physically and outcome wise. In other words women do not put you in to a nervous anxiety state and you are not obsessed with doin EVERY chick, and realize this is your SEX LIFE, not a quest to do EVERY chick.
Do not eject, you get rejected. You don't run off from dead spots in conversations with women, you realize it is natural, you can stick in there. ESPECIALLY IN CLUBS AND BARS. Women in clubs and bars often have a knee jerk reaction to being approached. Sometimes this knee jerk or automatic reaction is to clam up and let you do the talking, other times it is to be a little bit snotty or make a verbal quip. Whatever the reaction though you must be past ejecting on your end and GET rejected before you will move on.
Finally you have the ability to sexually project and vibe, or get attraction rather than rapport going. Even more so if you do not understand the difference between attraction and rapport do not read any further.
Basics you must have there. Basics above are good enough to get you a good 1 in 20 club/bar women you approach in bed. That is not the goal of this here club method though. The goal here is to get a FULL understanding of the advanced methodology of the club beyond these common volume (approach enough ya get one in bed) methods, just as I did for daytime, street, and social circle game.
Right off we will discuss YOUR state and how it alters when you enter a club or bar or packed social event.
"I know all this stuff when at home but when in field it doesn't come out". - 95% of club pick up artists.
First and foremost you probably realize that you read this stuff online or listen to audio or analyze women and get a GREAT strategy, you have it figured out and go out in the field with it. BOOM that is all gone it seems? Eyes are on you? Women aren't like they were in your mind and in your strategy or the materials you have absorbed?
"This is the really real world!"
Surely it is different. In model? In facts? In logic? No, but in that you have entered an altered state of mind compared to when you took on the models of things in the comfort of your home and relaxation.
The material is real, but when you took it on mentally and how you are at the moment in this social place are quite different.
The thoughts of:
"Hell Gun isn't a great looking guy and he lays women the same day he meets them, I can also, I just need to act different than I usually do!"
Turns in to a feeling of:
"This chick is moving around, hell her eyes met mine, what did that mean, Gun is little black letters, her, she, she, she is real, should I go tell her some jokes and play the clown like I usually do, that is at least comfortable" Not good. I am willing to bet you do just this. You fall in to the same old behavior patterns of failure out of desire to be comfortable, to feel in control.
As I mentioned in Dynamic Approach often times a guy will lock up and refuse to approach women at all because he associates it with the anxiety of not knowing what to do in a female presence.
The way to reframe this is a simple 2 step process:
1.Realize what is happening. Realize your own self and state right then and there in the club or bar. Realize that what is true and logic and fact is always true, no matter what your state of mind is.
2.Realize the women and other people as FIRST individuals and second as similar to others you know. Some chick standing there seemingly alien and unlike you is JUST AS normal as your last girlfriend or chick you laid was BEFORE you met her. Realize that she is in fact herself also in an altered state of mind just as you were until you realized it, because of this massive social scene.
As corny and children's novel as it may sound "Strangers are just friends you haven't met yet" comes to mind.
Actually try imposing the image of a friend or lover on to strangers in the bar. Imagine them as they may be once you get to know them and how different they are from regular day-life in this place.
Basically realize you are in a jumbled chaotic state, but yet truth is truth of what works and what doesn't and also realize others are not in this state of mind.
Much like that movie the matrix, they have not freed their mind of it and are still a part of it. You however are not by simple virtue of understanding this first concept.
Next we naturally move on to drinking and pot smoking and other drugs in clubs and bars. MANY advocate not doing this as a pick up artist, and for good reason. When you take these drugs and booze in the club you enter ANOTHER collective of sorts. You enter a collective of those not able to even consciously realize the chaos factor because they have clogged and cluttered their mind even further. SO MUCH so that they in fact get point 2 of the 2 points of chaos factor done away with, others seem comfortable, YET lose all ability to realize and understand their own states and habits of failure BEYOND someone who is sober.
At some point when you have gotten out of the habitual failure you can easily drink some beers or smoke a bowl and handle this, but not until then.
Next naturally we will talk about THEIR states when they enter a club or bar and how they alter.
Of course instantly we know that they are not the same person upon entering a club in their current state as they are normally in day-life.
What states may they be in? A million!
SO the main key is rather than reading her state:
NOTHING is more important in cutting down on failure and increasing success than selecting the right women to approach in a bar or club.
Right off we have the obvious ones.
If she looks you in the eyes or gives you 'vibe'
Or if she is totally alone in the place.
Right here I will talk about some less obvious ones though:
1. Women that are ACTUALLY interesting and attractive to you. DROP the ego. You are NOOOOOO pick up artist or player by any means if you do not get this. Stop thinking you are or that you should be and able to pick up ANY woman you see. This is not how things work. The "best" club and bar guys tend to report 1 in 20 success rates, because they ignore this factor. They do not approach women based on desire to really run their best controlled game and nail her, but instead out of desire to "have her" for their ego.
Many advocate approaching instantly within a few seconds of seeing a woman. As a new guy just getting out there this is fine. If you need to rely on spontaneity in order to have the balls and logic of mind to approach women then you are by no means advanced. You should be able to screen your targets for ease of pick up and actual attractiveness to you before approaching, or you are not in control of yourself enough to do much more than ever get 1 in 20 or so.
This "Approach everything to be a pick up artist" deal does not work for many reasons. First of all if you are running amok in the club or bar approaching everything in site you are not in control and focused, your chaos factor will be still on high. Second you can not relate basic sexual vibes and a good part vibe to these "looking to cure the boredom of life so I am in a club" women. You cannot relate to them at all, you are already thinking of your next approach before this one starts in this kind of rampant "run around approaching women" state of mind.
SO look at the women. If I have to tell you not to leer at them, stop reading this. Overall though KNOW WHO you are approaching, watch her and check her out some before hand, get a sense of her mannerisms, facial expressions, eyes and features. Not to sound new age crap, but get a sense of her energy before you approach her, so it does not throw you when she turns out to be something unexpected. Also get a good look to ensure she is someone you could sexually vibe with, don't notice she has a rotten front tooth 2 minutes in to the approach, look her over and make sure you REALLY want her before you bother to go in.
2. She just walked in the bar. LEAVE HER ALONE. It is possible to meet her instantly and stick with her and end up closing the deal later on. BUT this is WAY harder.
You see in clubs and bar scenes ATTRACTION is king, NOT rapport. "Hook ups" happen, not "pick ups". You DO pick her up, but it must be far more naturally done than a day time pick up in normal settings.
Also known as, she is there for a reason in a club or bar. She probably thinks "hmm it would be nice to get some dick tonight" but she also is out to party and have a good time. Unless you can provide more of a good time and party vibe from the time she walks in until the time you close her than the venue can, WAIT a while.
When you approach women and say ask them to dance do you sometimes get:
"I am going to talk to someone right now"
"Right now I am getting a drink but maybe later"
"I have to go put my coat away"
Deer in headlights look and "what who are you?"
This is because she hasn't even gotten adjusted to her initial chaos factor. Hasn't "gotten in the groove" yet.
WAIT for them to get settled in. Someone else scoops her up meanwhile, trust in the fact she will eventually blow him off for the other more exciting things going on in the venue unless he is more of a party than what the venue offers her. This will happen the exact same with you scooping her up as soon as she walks in. Again this is not chickens running around with their heads cut off we are playing here. Lay back and be cool and relax. Make sure she is settled in the place before rushing her, and if she does happen to get scooped up by another guy, SO WHAT, it isn't your soul mate wife and lover, again drop the ego, play the game, don't let it play you.
3. She is settled in. This may not mean seated and sitting there having a drink. It could mean she has started dancing or her and her friends are looking around the club etc. It just means she hasn't just walked in the place 10 minutes prior.
These are standard approach fodder. Wait until they get alone for a few seconds to approach them.
Women dance in packs, go to the bathroom in packs and go get a drink in packs. At some point the get alone however, more on this later.
Main key is once she is alone swoop in do minor conversation and attract her enough that when her friends come back she wont let them cockblock you, OR move her to another area.
Place is LOUD. So long conversations and opening lines or statements are not a good idea. Standing and yelling in a chick ear is not congruent with normal rapport. Club rapport is different, but needs to be kept similar SOMEWHAT to normal rapport.
On street or daytime or normal venues I will simply ask a few short questions, get her seated someplace and then probe her for conversation based on pop culture like movies, tv, psychological analysis of people and celebrities, or music etc. As of course this is no club or bar, she came out to shop not party and you are a bonus of something fun even just being totally normal and being in her presence, compared to the rest of her day.
In clubs I have found the "chop chop" method of conversation to be best:
DO NOT WORRY that these lines aren't instantly attractive or interesting, the point isn't to get her to have sex with you with the first things out of your mouth. It is to show her a party vibe and not seem like some boring long-winded ear yeller. When you get in to thoughts and analysis of things right off the bat that are too in depth they may not be interesting to her, so your success rate goes down.
You: Busy tonight!
You: Did you see that weird guy dancing out there?
Her: no I didn't
You: What are you drinking?
You: EEEWWW YUCK VODKA!
You: Hit the bar with me I will show you a kick ass drink instead
CHOPPY CHOPPY with a real upbeat fun vibe. No structure or thought to the conversation, and nothing long and in depth.
You: Why you wearing a backpack in here (laugh out loud)?
Her: what who the F are you?
You: hey did you notice that guy earlier with the thong underwear and lowcut jeans?
You: Come check him out ya just gotta!
Ignore it when they get confrontational, "it's loud and I am an old man I can't hear anyything!!!!!!!" type of act and move on to the next random thought in your head.
You: (do the hover like in my materials)
Her: (notices you standing near her and looks at you instead of the dance floor she was watching).
You: Check them out, they all watch each others feet and try to copy each other.
Her: hey I do that.
You: that's cause you don't know how to cut off what ya see and feel the beat instead.
You: Check it out (as you square up with her and grind together guiding her hips with your hands) close your eyes and feel it (whispered in her ear).
May sound scary the last one, but as I mentioned you gotta have your confidence and first basic stuff down to make use of this.
Main key is as mentioned, very up party vibe.
If a chick has safety circle of a couple of friends, maybe the 2 of them go to dance with 2 guys, you move in and she has just become bored, BOOM you are the up party vibe she feels like she just lost and gets sucked in to the new vibe.
Imagine those 3 interactions above with good eye contact you smiling and having fun swaying to the music a bit and really overall upbeat. It works great doing the choppy whatever is on your mind stuff IF you have the party man vibe and good confidence backing it up.
At this point you can go dance with her, or go sit someplace quieter and run standard attraction game like my dominance to get her matching and then sexual state so she matches that materials. In many cases in a club or bar setting you need to mix the "UP or party man" state and the masculine in order to achieve a dominant frame for her to start matching. You need to fine tune it as a lot of times "masculine" can start to mean "stiff" which doesn't work well for her desire to have a whirlwind of excitement.
Next is figuring her out a bit better with slipping these 2 questions in someplace:
These can be done at the bar as you show her a cooler drink, or on dance floor or wherever you moved her to.
"Do you come here often"!? Tongue in cheek totally, shoot her a look like "just kidding with a pick up line"
In asking this, even joking in a witty manner, she desires herself to answer someone witty back and will give you some information. Which lets you figure out if she is from the area, if she clubs a lot etc for some other archetypes I have figured out.
In redneck voice if in quieter area, tongue in cheek also or if loud dance club you can just ask it outright.
"You from these parts, where are your friends"
Answers and what they tend to mean but not ALWAYS:
You: You come here often
Her: Anything witty said back, MEANS an intention to get a rapport or a rapport already in place with you
Her: I never go out hardly anymore since I had kids/got married/started working long hours, MEANS an intention to get laid of some sort even if she doesn't know it yet, stick to this chick like glue and you will get a lay!
Her: Yeah I go out all the time blah blah blah
The blah blah blah is : I just love to dance/I am a party girl, MEANS usually she is typical north American club rat style and you need to do some test touching immediate to gauge her attraction as you don't really have much of a shot here at sexing her unless she is physically attracted instant, so you need to gauge her immediate attraction to save time, if it is good hang in there, otherwise stick with her, but look for other options and check back with her over the night if no hotter prospects get going. Also if NO blahblah and she just says "yeah I got out a lot" assume this is the case.
The bla blah is: "I have never actually been out to a club", MEANS she is new to all this, invariably will end up hooking up with someone and not think much of it, again stick to her like glue, suck her in to your party vibe hardcore, act VERY candid and normal towards her so as not to spook her with her first "club fake act" and then close her as I will talk about later.
Next the answers to "You from around here where are your friends"
Her: I just came out cause I am from xxxxxxxxxxxxx on business/visiting my parents etc. MEANS of COURSE this chick is looking for an out of town fling. You can just party with her and dance a tiny bit and ask her to leave with you, always how it is. I assume because these women know there will be little or no accountability for any sex that goes down.
Her: Yeah I am from here all my friends are over there (pointing to a large social circle), MEANS keep her ass away from them if possible, get her dancing, if not dancing get her to dance, after dancing offer to show her something someplace else in the club. You MUST get her attracted enough to you for her to not let them drag her away or cockblock you once they hunt her down and rejoin the 2 of you. Once they do rejoin the 2 of you it is also nice to have already sucked her in to your circle of wingmen and friends and your party vibe.
Her: Yeah I am from here I don't know where all my friends went, MEANS also great, stick to her like glue. These chicks in certain social groups like this who are all over the place never talking to each other are GREAT cause they rarely cockblock or interrupt anything, you basically have a lone woman with no friends almost.
Once you determine the "type", or rough type she is of the above-mentioned, act accordingly and it is a pretty good formula if you have your attraction game and basics in place already.
4. "End of nighter" chicks and closing for all types by party vibe.
Sometimes you get nowhere, no one gets anywhere and it has come to the end of the night, or chicks and guys who have been there and are still there as the place closes. THIS is the time we all as men from all skill levels come together to help each other out (and punch each other out some nights). Every dude in the place is scrambling for phone numbers from women they met throughout the night. SO any women from earlier whose friends interrupted you and a chick are busy with end of the night stuff. No one there that late wants it to end, or they if bored would have went home earlier.
BOOM you pounce on old targets with:
"hey me and my friends are having this after party deal you should follow us" Even if you don't have an after party and are just going to go drink with your buddies, listen to metallica, eat chilli dogs and smell each others farts until 4am. We ain't saints here, LIE and tailor it to the occasion when you get a carload of chicks to your place!
or if alone "We didn't get much of a chance to get to know each other and party, lets hit my place and have some drinks and listen to some tunes".
Simple, but BEST I have found for end of nighters. They want some more stimulation, and if they don't have a better offer and are even mildly attracted will tend to come back with you maybe half the time. Which by FAR beats out getting their number and calling them the next day or 3 days later etc. By then they are hungover, or looking to go out next weekend and don't wanna drink, or are shy again from sobering up etc.
There are 2 types you need to close WAY before the club shuts down.
1 is the out of towner with no friends as mentioned above.
Second is what I call bored chicks.
These women are in a nutshell there with lots of friends, party vibe is jamming in the place, but they are just sitting there seemingly bored as all hell. Their friends also leave them alone. The reasons here I have found are always similar. Usually this chick is married, hasn't hooked up in ages cause she never goes to clubs and guys outside of them are too pussy to approach her when sober. This makes her more interested in sex than the party vibe, YET makes her seem like she is standoffish and bored with everything and prevents guys from approaching her THERE.
Second her friends know this and by simply being chicks know the code of cockblocks and lone women being easier prey, so they leave her the hell alone!
These women need very little party vibe and very little attraction game even. They simply need you to ask them some questions, volunteer some information about yourself and then ask them:
Hell let's blow this joint and go have some drinks at my place and listen to some good music".
I have just recent in looking for and doing these had them say "let me get my billfold", to "I can't but give me your number and I will call you" (which I thought was a lie but she did call and we ended up screwing, and it turns out she was with her sister in law, or husbands sister at the club that night).
Many times these bored women seem standoffish or like they just aren't having any party vibe or game you throw at them, but they in fact are just like a frustrated wallflower guy who is so sexually deprived he cant loosen up and have any fun and is ONLY there to get laid.
On a side note a great strategy if you are one of those guys, and want to really get with it and be able to party and give off a party vibe, is to go out with the intention NOT to get laid. Take the pressure off and go learn how to have a really good time without thinking of women and what they are thinking and what they are doing. Just go let loose and get in touch with your inner "Keith Richards".
Do this a few times and you will start to notice women noticing you and your party vibe, then try the more advanced approaches and closing.
Back to closing
Finally with the regular club fodder type of chicks, closing them is simply a function of when you have become more of the party vibe and attraction to her than the club has. This takes some fine-tuning and after a few rounds of getting them stimulated this way you will notice it well. This is the point where you try to get them out of the club with you, you can use simple lines like the ones above for trying to get them someplace else with you. Hell you have become sexually AND excitement wise more to her than this club or bar, so offering her time alone with you AND a benefit of good tunes and free drinks will work.
You may encounter cockblocks at this point from her friends.
There is no good workable one.
An OUNCE of prevention is worth a POUND of cure.
Meaning if she is attracted enough and sucked in to your vibe enough she will leave with you regardless of her friends objections. I have had women tell their friends "don't be a slut" or "you don't even know him" etc when she goes to tell them she is leaving with me, but always they leave with me anyways, because I don't suggest it UNTIL she has shown me with her eyes and smiles and touching me that she is more attracted to me than the place.
On a scale of 1-10 you need like a 6 in attraction to beat her friends 8 or 9 in rapport, for her to tell them to get bent and leave with you anyways.
Some guys get phone numbers instead of trying to pull her out of the club the same night, but that's just poor pre planning and lack of calibration, as well as desire to mentally masturbate or impress friends that they got a phone number.
You ignore regular venues and go in a club to sustain your sexual appetites and desires; you have to be ruthless and precise. No farting around.
We aren't in amateur land at this point gentleman we go for the jugular and strike while the iron is hot!
A big topic that comes up a lot of times is other guys.
Say some dingbat with farts in his brain interrupts you and your new lady friend as you are running your game on her in a club or bar setting.
A simple method from my book and audio I use is this:
NEVER enjoy his vibe at all. He is way up and party guy? He is a dork. He is telling jokes and being funny? He isn't funny at all, you don't even grin or smile.
YOU surely can't get sucked in to ANY mans vibe or else she of COURSE will get sucked in to it also. Which isn't productive at all for you.
Here is what I do and you should try:
Make some sort of noise to get his attention then stare him down with eye contact as he engages her and shifts to looking at you. When he looks away she will most likely look at you, you then lock eyes with her, turn to get facing away from him and at her and roll your eyes as if to say "what a dork" "what a weirdo" "what a sleazy guy" in mannerism and face, put your arm around her waist and say "oh hey I gotta show you something" back in party man vibe and direct her away from him.
Works every time and never starts any funk with the guy.
I hope you enjoy great success in bars and clubs, but do not forget the bar none king of your sex life can, and should be department stores, malls, parks, the beach, the gym etc. Fresher places with easier more healthy (mental and physical) women to approach.
Make sure to check out Way of Gun for way way more information than is here. I have been in this game for 10 years and have mastered many areas of it, as well as teaching it.
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